Part 124

Q. From what did you collect that; what did Mr. De Berenger say to you that induced you to believe he was intimate with Mr. Cochrane Johnstone?

A. He was constantly with him; he was there almost every day.

Q. You say that his acquaintance with Lord Cochrane was recent?

A. I do.

Q. When you understood him to be acquainted with Lord Cochrane, did he state any thing with regard to his visits to Lord Cochrane?

A. He did not.

Cross-examined by Mr. Park.

Q. You have known Mr. De Berenger a great while?

A. Yes, I have.

Q. He is a man of very considerable science and attainment I am told?

A. Very much so.

Q. I believe you happen to know that he was at that time, or had been about that time engaged in some plan of Mr. Johnstone's about building a place called Vittoria, in consequence of the great victories?

A. It was to be called Ranelagh I understood, I never heard of the name Vittoria.

Q. He had been engaged for a considerable time before in drawing a plan?

A. He had, which I had seen.

Q. And that led him, as you understood, to be very much with Mr. Cochrane Johnstone?

A. It did.

Q. Alsop's Buildings is somewhere near Mr. Cochrane Johnstone's house?

A. Mr. Cochrane Johnstone has a house there, and this is the ground immediately behind it, about an acre, which is in garden ground, and which was to be converted to that use.

Q. Something upon the plan of the old Ranelagh?

A. Something upon an improved plan of Mr. De Berenger's.

Q. You have seen the plan you say, which Mr. De Berenger drew for Mr. Cochrane Johnstone?

A. Yes.

Q. How long ago is that?

A. I cannot exactly say how long ago it was.

Q. Was it before this conversation a good while?

A. Before this conversation; when I was in the habit of calling upon him.

Q. About the close of the last year probably?