A. I had not been well acquainted with him at that time.
Q. Do you know, whether Mr. Cochrane Johnstone, at that time, was in possession of a garden or some premises at Paddington?
A. Yes, in Alsop's Buildings.
Q. Which he was desirous of improving?
A. He was.
Q. What was the occasion of your introducing Mr. De Berenger to him?
A. It was mere chance.
Q. Did you, or anybody else, to your own knowledge, recommend Mr. De Berenger as a person who could assist him in planning that place?
A. I had previously introduced him: I will just state the circumstance that led to my introduction.
Q. I do not know that the circumstance is in the least material. You say the introduction was at first accidental; was there, in consequence of that accident, any connection with them, as to Mr. De Berenger assisting him in this plan?
A. Yes.
Q. The place was intended to be called Vittoria?
A. Yes.
Q. Did Mr. De Berenger employ himself in preparing a plan, as an artist?
A. He did, which plan is here (producing it).
Lord Ellenborough. The exhibition of the plan cannot be important, I should think.
Mr. Scarlett. It may become material, because Mr. Cochrane Johnstone had paid him for the plan.
Lord Ellenborough. Whether there were colonades, and so on, or not, I should think cannot be material.
Mr. Park. The production of the plan is necessary only, to shew that it is worth the money which was paid.
Lord Ellenborough. I only wish to avoid useless particularity; I do not wish to curtail you of the least particle of proper proof.
Mr. Scarlett. Do you know, whether, in the month of September in the last year, Mr. De Berenger had made considerable progress in that plan?
A. He had; he had nearly completed it.
Q. He had not quite completed it?
A. No.
Q. Do you know whether, shortly before Mr. Cochrane Johnstone went to Scotland in September, he made him any payment on account of that?
A. He did, through my medium.
Q. Besides the plan, had De Berenger prepared a prospectus, with a full and minute description of the objects of the design?
A. He had.
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