Part 150

Some recriminations ensued between several members, on the participation of the traders of some of the New England States in carrying on the slave trade.

When the question being put, the resolution was agreed to--yeas 79.

The committee having risen, and the House being resumed, took the report of the committee into consideration.

Mr. CLARK, having made a few remarks against agreeing to the resolution, asked for the taking of the yeas and nays.

The main question was then taken by yeas and nays on agreeing to the resolution--yeas 90, nays 25, as follows:

YEAS.--Isaac Anderson, John Archer, David Bard, Burwell Basset, Silas Betton, Barnabas Bidwell, Thomas Blount, James M. Broom, Robert Brown, John Boyle, John Chandler, Martin Chittenden, John Claiborne, George Clinton, jun., John Clopton, Frederick Conrad, Orchard Cook, Leonard Covington, Richard Cutts, Samuel W. Dana, Ezra Darby, John Davenport, jun., William Dickson, Caleb Ellis, Ebenezer Elmer, William Eli, William Findlay, Jas. Fisk, John Fowler, Charles Goldsborough, Edwin Gray, Andrew Gregg, Silas Halsey, John Hamilton, Seth Hastings, William Helms, David Holmes, David Hough, John G. Jackson, Walter Jones, James Kelley, Thomas Kenan, Nehemiah Knight, John Lambert, Michael Leib, Joseph Lewis, jun., Henry W. Livingston, Matthew Lyon, Nicholas R. Moore, Jeremiah Morrow, Jonathan O. Mosely, Jeremiah Nelson, Roger Nelson, Thomas Newton, jun., Gideon Olin, Timothy Pitkin, jun., John Pugh, Josiah Quincy, John Rea of Pennsylvania, John Russell, Peter Sailly, Thomas Sammons, Ebenezer Seaver, James Sloan, John Smilie, John Cotton Smith, John Smith, Samuel Smith, Henry Southard, Richard Stanford, Joseph Stanton, William Stedman, Lewis B. Sturges, Benjamin Tallmadge, Samuel Tenney, Philip R. Thompson, Uri Tracy, Abram Trigg, Philip Van Cortlandt, Joseph B. Varnum, Daniel C. Verplanck, Peleg Wadsworth, Matthew Walton, John Whitehill, Robert Whitehill, Eliphalet Wickes, Marmaduke Williams, Nathan Williams, Alexander Wilson, and Joseph Winston.

NAYS.--Willis Alston, jun., George M. Bedinger, William Butler, John Campbell, Levi Casey, Christopher Clark, Jacob Crowninshield, John Dawson, Elias Earle, Peter Early, James Elliot, James M. Garnett, Robert Marion, Josiah Masters, William McCreery, David Meriwether, Thomas Moore, Thomas M. Randolph, John Rhea of Tennessee, Thomas Sanford, O’Brien Smith, Thomas Spalding, Thomas W. Thompson, David R. Williams, and Thomas Wynns.

Ordered, That a bill, or bills, be brought in pursuant to the said resolution; and that Mr. SLOAN, Mr. FISK, and Mr. DANA, do prepare and bring in the same.

MONDAY, January 27.

Detachment of Militia.

An engrossed bill authorizing a detachment from the Militia of the United States was read the third time.

Mr. TALLMADGE, of Connecticut, said he had never recollected an instance, since he had been honored with a seat in that House, when a question of equal magnitude with the present, had passed on, from the report which was first made, to the third reading of the bill, and there had scarcely been a remark submitted to the House to elucidate or justify the measure. We have before us a bill of no trifling import; it provides for organizing, arming, and equipping, a military force of one hundred thousand men, and it appropriates two millions of dollars to enable the Government to bring this force into the field. Now this bill contemplates some serious intentions on the part of the Government, or else it is a solemn mockery, a mere political farce. At any rate, we shall hereby, if the bill passes into a law, lock up two millions of dollars in the Treasury, which must remain appropriated and sequestered from any other use, however urgent and pressing the calls of our country may be from any other quarter. Under the present aspect of this bill, as it has been presented to my mind, I shall be constrained to give it my unequivocal negative, unless some gentleman shall be able to remove my objection against its final passage. I, therefore, take the liberty to call on the honorable chairman of the committee, who reported the bill, (Mr. VARNUM, of Massachusetts,) to state to the House the reasons which induced him to submit the bill now under consideration, and to request of him, for my particular information, to answer the two following queries, viz:

1st. What special objects are to be answered by the passage of this bill?

2d. What effect will such a law have upon the militia systems of the different States in the Union?

I make these inquiries of the honorable gentleman from Massachusetts, who reported this bill, from a knowledge of the high station which he holds in the militia of that State; and from a hope that he has fully weighed all the relative bearings of this bill, with the advantages and inconveniences thence resulting, that he may be able to confirm the wavering, and to satisfy those who doubt respecting the provisions of this bill.

In the public Message of the President of the United States, communicated to Congress on the third of December last, we are informed that spoliations are committed on our commerce, and our seamen are impressed on the high seas; while aggressions and insults are offered to the citizens of the Territories of Orleans and the Mississippi, by the regular officers and soldiers of the King of Spain. Some of these injuries may admit of peaceable remedy, but some of them are of a nature to be met by force only, and all of them may lead to it.

From the fullest examination I have been able to make of this public document, (and I lay no claim to private communications,) I can discover but one point on which this great military force can be brought to bear. Is it possible, then, Mr. Speaker, (and I do hope that the honorable chairman will give us an answer to the inquiry,) is it possible, I say, that an apportionment must be made on all the militia of the United States, from Georgia to the District of Maine, that the President of the United States may be enabled to repel an invasion, or chastise an insult offered to our citizens within the district of Orleans? If this be not the object, the inquiry returns with redoubled force--what is it? Or, are we to conclude that all this parade and expense is to form an army on paper, and to hold out to the world the high sense we entertain of our national honor and dignity, and the promptitude and vigor with which we are ready to defend it? Can it be possible, sir, that gentlemen can be serious in offering this preposterous parade of military defence, when the recommendation of the President, and the voice of our country, call so imperiously for something more efficient? Will the European powers believe that you are in sober earnest, when they shall read the provisions of this bill? Will the people of our own country be satisfied with this kind of military farce? The former, I am persuaded, will not be deceived by it; the latter cannot fail to be disgusted with this pitiful parade. Whatever may be my opinion of the military defence which our present circumstances call for, it is hardly proper for me now to discuss that question. If the difficulties and objections which so forcibly press upon my mind can be obviated, notwithstanding my general doubts of the efficacy of this measure, I shall vote for the bill on your table.

Mr. VARNUM, of Massachusetts, then rose. He said it was difficult for him to enter into all the details which the questions of the gentleman implied; it depended upon the situation of the different parts of the country, whether the objections of the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. TALLMADGE) were applicable. It was not necessary, from the provisions of the act, to cull this out of the great body of the militia of the United States. That in Massachusetts it did not exempt from militia duty in the year 1797. They were only selected and officered, and ordered to be equipped and in readiness to march at a moment’s warning. They afterward returned to their ranks and were held to do duty there, in the same manner as if they had not been detached. If the argument of the gentleman was correct relative to a detachment, all the militia of the United States might be undisciplined, as the President had a right to call out the whole. As to the objection made by the other gentleman from Connecticut, (Mr. DANA,) there was some difference in the pay proposed to be allowed by this bill, to the militia, which should compose the detachment, but it was not much less. The difference was small, from that allowed by the existing law. Mr. Chairman, the President has told us of dreadful depredations upon our commerce, and of insults and inroads upon our territories; that our seamen and fellow-citizens are impressed, and ill-treated in a most cruel manner. It becomes us, sir, to take some measure suitable to the occasion, unless we mean to show the world that we possess a servile and degraded spirit. And, in my opinion, this is that measure.

Mr. QUINCY, of Massachusetts, said, that the reason given by his colleague, (Mr. VARNUM,) for passing this bill, “that we ought to show in the present state of our country, that we do not possess a servile, degraded spirit,” was a principal reason with him against the bill. He believed that if, after all the evidence this House had received of the temper of the people, and of their expectations of efficient, real measures of defence, such a bill as this was to be the first fruit of a seven weeks’ deliberation, it would, indeed, indicate that our spirit was servile and degraded--at least, that such was the spirit of this House. And, indeed, in fact, its spirit was, in his opinion, far below the temper and spirit which prevailed in the community. It was, indeed, very extraordinary that, after all the urgent demands made upon us by the people and by the President, for various augmentations of our force, the first step we publicly take should be, not to increase the power of the Executive arm, but to diminish that which it already possesses. If this was the real character of this bill, he thought the conclusion inevitable, that a House which, in such a state of public affairs as ours, should be guilty of such an act, was actuated by “a servile and degraded spirit.” And whatever we may think of it ourselves, I have great fears that both the people and foreign nations will draw that conclusion concerning us. That this was no increase of Executive power, but a real diminution of it, was very evident.

The gentleman, my colleague, (Mr. VARNUM,) had stated three reasons for passing the present and repealing the old law. 1st. The want of an appropriation for the expense of the detachment. This is a very good reason for an appropriating act, but it is none at all for an act repealing the provisions of the old law, and reenacting the same nearly in the same form. 2d. His second reason was, that the former act was permanent--this temporary. The former law had been passed in 1803, by the gentlemen who now constituted the majority in this House. It had been suffered to sleep for three years, and now, at the very moment the act is about to be useful, this great constitutional discovery is made. It is very unlucky that, when the people expect to see us alive to their protection, we are alive to nothing but theoretic questions and constitutional difficulties. The third reason for this law was the new apportionment of the detachment of militia it contemplates. In this consists the mischief and imbecility of the measure. By the law of 1803, which this bill proposes to repeal, the President is authorized to call out a detachment of eighty thousand militia. He may take the whole from any part of the Union. Wherever the exigency requires, he may there call for all, or any part, of the eighty thousand. By the present law, the detachment made is to consist, indeed, of a hundred thousand men; but this number is to be apportioned upon the States, and whatever is wanted for actual service is to be collected from seventeen independent divisions, in a country fifteen hundred miles in length.

The bill was then passed, 79 rising in the affirmative.

WEDNESDAY, January 29.

Neutral Rights.

Mr. JACKSON called for consideration of the unfinished business of yesterday, viz: the motion of Mr. SMILIE to discharge the Committee of Ways and Means from the further consideration of so much of the President’s Message as relates to the invasion of neutral rights by some of the belligerent powers. On taking up this business the House divided--yeas 37; carried.

The motion having been submitted from the Chair, Mr. DAWSON opposed it. He said the wish of the gentleman from Pennsylvania to bring this subject under the view of the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union might at any time be gratified by going into that committee and moving any resolution he might see fit, as the Message generally was referred to the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union. He believed, however, that the floor of the House was not the proper place to make declarations of what is the law of nations. He believed that a volume of such declarations would be of no avail; it was their duty to act and not to declare on such subjects; and whenever the gentleman from Pennsylvania or any other gentleman, would bring forward measures calculated to prevent an infraction of our neutral rights, they should receive his support. At present he must be against adopting the resolution.

Mr. SMILIE said he did not expect any opposition to the motion he had made. If the Committee of Ways and Means should be discharged from the business, it would consequently come before the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union without any motion, as the Message was generally before that committee.

In reply to the remark that this motion would be treating the Committee of Ways and Means with disrespect, Mr. SMILIE said, he thought the ground on which he had placed the business would have removed every idea of the kind. He did not say the Committee of Ways and Means were not as competent to the business as any other select or standing committee; but he had declared from the beginning that in his opinion, in point of principle, the reference ought to have been made to the Committee of the Whole. This is the ninth week of the session, and gentlemen charge us with having done nothing. Do not gentlemen see, from the state of the Committee of Ways and Means, that this course has become absolutely necessary? Shall a business of the first importance that can occur during the session, be neglected on this account? Not only the eyes of all America, but likewise of all Europe, are looking with anxiety on the steps which we shall take in this business; for all the maritime powers of Europe are interested in this great question relative to neutral rights. Are we, then, in consequence of the deranged situation of a select committee, to remain with our hands tied up? For myself I do think, that the interests of our country call upon us to take immediate steps. I repeat it, that on a similar occasion with this, a similar course was pursued. Gentlemen will remember, that in the third Congress, when we before suffered from the misconduct of Great Britain, certain resolutions which became the subject of discussion originated in a Committee of the whole House. What, indeed, are we to expect from the Committee of Ways and Means? Are they in possession of the general sense of the House on this subject, as a guide in making their report? This is not the case, as we have had no discussion of the subject; and until it shall be brought under a view of a Committee of the whole House, it is impossible to tell in what the opinions of members will centre.

Mr. JACKSON.--I have but a single observation to make in addition to those which have fallen from the gentleman from Pennsylvania. So far as relates to myself, it is not my object to discuss in Committee of the Whole, the abstract questions of the law of nations, but to adopt measures for the effectual resistance and punishment of the infraction of those laws, as far as we can. If, according to the course pointed out by my colleague, any resolution should be submitted on this subject in Committee of the Whole, it will be objected that the subject is before a standing committee, and it will be said to be disrespectful to act on it until they shall have reported. If my colleague, therefore, be of opinion, that we should adopt any efficient and prompt measures, the better and speedier way will be for him to join in the motion. I hope the motion will prevail. In the name of heaven, if we are not disposed to do any thing, let us tell the people so.