Part 269

Mr. SEDGWICK said that, as no direct charge of corruption had been made against Whitney, he apprehended it would be improper to detain him as a prisoner. It might be considered as a wanton act of arbitrary power.

Mr. BUCK then rose, and said that he had not yesterday told the whole of what passed between him and Whitney. Mr. BUCK had received offers plain enough to be understood. He might either have land, or money in lieu of it.

Mr. SEDGWICK said, that he had now no opposition to the resolutions; which were carried.

WEDNESDAY, December 30.

JOHN PAGE, from Virginia, appeared, was qualified, and took his seat.

Case of Randall and Whitney.

Mr. W. SMITH moved an amendment of the journal to this effect, that the said Charles Whitney had made overtures to Mr. BUCK, to this purpose, that he should have a share in the lands to be purchased, or in money.

Mr. NICHOLAS objected to the motion. The reading of the journal was called for. It was read.

Mr. SEDGWICK said, that the original charge against the man was complete and full. He thought the amendment unnecessary.

A petition was then presented from Randall requesting that he might be indulged with a reasonable time to make his defence, and with counsel.

Mr. W. SMITH was very ready to allow the prisoner counsel for his defence, but, in so doing, he wished it to be understood, not as a matter of right but of favor. He was apprehensive that gentlemen in proceeding from one step to another, would at last reason away the privileges of the House altogether. His friend from Massachusetts (Mr. SEDGWICK) had quoted the clause of the constitution which gave a right to have counsel in all trials for crimes; but it did not apply to this case, any more than the clause which immediately followed it, declaring that all trials for crimes should be by a jury of the vicinage, and after presentment by a grand jury. The present inquiry was of a special and peculiar nature, resulting from the rights and privileges which belonged to every Legislative institution, and without which such institution could not exist. As every jurisdiction had certain powers necessary for its preservation, so the Legislature possessed certain privileges incident to its nature, and essential for its very existence. This is called in England the parliamentary law; and as from that law are derived the usages and proceedings of the several State Legislatures, so will the proceedings of this House be generally guided by the long-established usages of the State Legislatures. There would be a manifest absurdity in conforming the proceedings in this case to the ordinary proceedings at law in jury trials, for the House, instead of being able to protect itself, would be altogether dependent on the other branches of the Government, and in every case of aggression be obliged to send the offenders to the civil magistrate. If there was any weight in such reasoning as had been heard, then the House would have to tread back all the unconstitutional steps they had been taking, and to discharge, without delay, both the prisoners; for the arrest by the Sergeant-at-Arms, under the SPEAKER's warrant, was only justifiable on the ground he had mentioned, namely, the inherent and indispensable power of self-preservation. That the House possessed power to arrest had not been denied; but the power of commitment was incident to that of arrest, and if it possessed both these high powers, it must of consequence possess the necessary incident of trial or inquiry, in regulating which the House was only to be governed by its own wisdom and discretion. On this occasion Mr. S. said he felt, as he trusted every member did, a proper respect for the rights of individuals brought to the bar, as well as for those of the House, and he hoped that their conduct would be marked with discretion and temper; but, willing as he was to grant the prayer of the petitioner, he could not suffer the argument which had been relied on, to pass unanswered. This was the first instance, since the organization of this Government, in which it had been found necessary to resort to this high prerogative; it was right, therefore, that the principles on which it was founded should be well understood, and that the privileges of the House should stand unimpaired.

Mr. SEDGWICK moved that the prayer of the petition should be granted, and that Randall be allowed till to-morrow, to be heard at the bar.

The petition was again read.

Mr. CHRISTIE had known Randall for many years, and had never heard of any thing against him before. He had lately been at Detroit, and Mr. C. believed that he had been injured by keeping bad company. He was not the first man in the country who had been corrupted by British influence and British company. He moved that Randall should be allowed till to-morrow at twelve o'clock. This was negatived.

The SPEAKER then said, that, if agreeable to the House, he would send for Randall, and inquire what time he wanted. This was done; Randall came in, and asked till Saturday, but as the House does not sit on Saturday, Friday was appointed.

The bond or agreement between the intended purchasers of the land was then read. It was dated at Detroit, the 26th of September last. Allen, Whitney, and Randall, were to have the disposal of 36 shares out of 41.

THURSDAY, December 31.

RICHARD WINN, from South Carolina, appeared, was qualified, and took his seat.

Case of Randall and Whitney.

Mr. BALDWIN, the chairman of the Committee of Privileges, reported, in part, on the subject of the further proceedings to be had in the case of R. Randall and C. Whitney, in substance as follows:

1. That a further hearing of R. Randall should be held at the bar; that the information given by members against the said Randall be reduced to writing, signed by the informants respectively, and entered at large on the journals; that the said information should be read to the prisoner, and he be asked by the SPEAKER what he had to say in his defence. If the prisoner should desire to produce any parole evidence to exculpate himself, the same shall be heard at the bar, and the Judge of the District of Pennsylvania be requested to attend to administer an oath or affirmation to the witnesses on the part of the prisoner; that the SPEAKER shall put all questions to the witnesses. When any debate should arise, that the prisoner and his counsel be directed to withdraw; and, when he has concluded his defence and withdrawn, that the sense of the House be taken on the guilt or innocence of the prisoners, respectively.

Mr. MADISON was of opinion that no citizen can be punished without the solemnity of an oath to the fact. Of consequence, it is needful to the information of members, if the punishment of a fellow-citizen is implicated. Perhaps it may be urged that members, having taken an oath to support the constitution, this supersedes the necessity of an oath in the present case.

Mr. GALLATIN thought it reasonable that members should be liable to be questioned upon oath. That there was no precedent for it, had little weight. There are many absurdities in the law of nations which gentlemen would not wish to introduce here.

Mr. SWIFT was against the members being subject to this regulation. The case was quite novel to him. But this was, at first view, his way of thinking. Suppose that some person in the gallery were to commit an insult on the House, before the whole members, would it be necessary that they should all swear to the offence before proceeding to punish it? This Mr. S. regarded as a parallel case.

Mr. THATCHER made a distinction when an offence had been committed in presence of the whole House, and when committed out of their view. In the former case, there could not be any use for evidence being sworn, because the whole House had the testimony of their senses. It was different when the circumstances occurred in another place; and Mr. T. was convinced that the charge ought to be sworn to. The passage under amendment was in these words: "That it should be reduced to writing;" and the dispute was about adding the words, "and sworn to." Mr. T., though for examining the members on oath as to the charge against Randall, was opposed to the amendment as useless, because the members must, in his opinion, be sworn when Randall is brought to the bar. The mere declaration of a prosecutor, not under oath, and of a defendant in the same situation, is equally exceptionable. A phrase had been repeatedly used which Mr. T. did not understand. It was said that a member was entitled "to stand up in his place" and give information so and so. With the meaning of this expression Mr. T. was unacquainted, nor did he know any law which authorized the imprisonment of a fellow-citizen on a mere charge unsupported by oath. He did not see the use of the amendment, but he was clearly satisfied that members ought to be examined and sworn touching their accusations, as well as any other persons.

Mr. NICHOLAS was not, in this instance, for departing from the principles of common law. Instead of supporting the dignity of the House, about which so much has been spoken, he was afraid that, by arrogating too much on the side of privilege, they might lessen their dignity. He declared, upon his honor, that he thought the gentlemen concerned should, for their own sakes, insist on being cross-examined by the prisoner and his counsel. To be cross-examined implies no reflection on a witness. The imperfection of human nature requires such a precaution, and were Mr. N. a party, he would insist on being cross-examined. The proposed amendment would narrow the business too much. It would be better to lay it aside, and let the members be, as above proposed, subject to cross-examination from the prisoner.

Mr. MADISON said, that when Randall came to the bar he would possibly save all this trouble, by confessing his guilt, and casting himself on the mercy of the House. He mentioned an anecdote of a judge who had been publicly insulted. He informed his brethren of the bench, and, on his complaint, the offender was apprehended. When he was brought before the court the oath was administered to the judge. Mr. M. related this story to show the propriety of every accusation being sworn to, whatever may be the rank or situation of the accuser.

MONDAY, January 4.